Transcript: Raffaele Sollecito - Katie Couric Interview

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Katie Couric interviews Raffaele Sollecito, Broadcast September 18, 2012

Couric: Raffaele Sollecito, welcome. And I know that your new book…

Sollecito:  Thank you so much

Couric: … "Honor Bound, my Journey to Hell and Back" ..

Sollecito: I'm really glad to be here 

Couric: … "with Amanda Knox" is out today. Thank you very much. I know this is also your first interview in English 

Sollecito: Yeah, this is my first one. I'm a little bit [unintelligible]

Couric: So you're a little bit nervous yes, So we're going to make the questions clear and I will speak slowly and concisely. But a lot of people I think might be surprised, Rafaele, to learn that you only knew Amanda Knox for nine days 

Sollecito:  Yeah It is

Couric:  When this happened, tell me what was your relationship like?

Sollecito: Well, we started our relationship since the first day we met. Umm.. It was. umm..  We kissed  umm.. to, upon beautiful sparkling light outside of Perugia. And ah, just the day we met, and ah, during the night we met. And, we started ah, really it was a really nice relationship. It was a dreamy one because I was living alone in my apartment and we shared almost all the day long. We just…

Couric: You are inseparable you were together all the time? 

Sollecito: Yeah, almost all the time just for the lectures we just split for, during the time of the lectures at University. And so in that period she was much more at my apartment than in their one. It was really an intensive, umm..  intensive story, but it was the start, the start of knowing Amanda. So. It, yeah, so it, it's crazy. 

Couric: It, it was that sort of wonderful beginning of a new romance. You were both sort of swept off your feet. I know you were especially. So nine days into this relationship. You are finding yourself in the middle of one of the most sensational murder cases in the last decade, what was that like going from this sort of love affair with this beautiful young girl to this nightmare?

Sollecito: We, yeah, so four years of nightmare. It's hard to explain that, but just the media made, the media frenzy build up,builded up an image that doesn't exist, is not the real image of me and Amanda. 

Couric: But there were some things that raised suspicions and you can understand why the two of you became a target for the investigation. I know the morning after the murder, after Amanda had spent the night with you, she went back to her apartment. She found the front door was open, that blood was in the bathroom. 

Sollecito: No, no, there were literally the little droplets inside the basin. 

Couric: but blood was in the bathroom.. 

Sollecito: No, inside the basin.. 

Couric: the basin, but also on the carpet. There was some on the carpet as well right? 

Sollecito: No, no it was kind of a water ah, um, stain but if it was not so clear that it was blood. 

Couric: Meredith's door was closed and locked, and Amanda didn't call the police. Did you find that strange? In retrospect maybe at the time you were confused about what was going on, but why do you think she didn't call the police immediately?

Sollecito:  Well, she didn't know Italian very well and she had no emergency number to call. I called the local Carabinieri right after I discovered all this peculiarities but no one was thinking about something bad because the media described it like there was blood in the, in the bathroom. But, you, there, there were only very little droplets that can, can came also if your nosebleed or is bleeding, so it's not so alarming the situation you look around. And she didn't know,  umm.. the broke window. Well, after I realized all the peculiarities around step-by-step I, I alerted the local Carabinieri.

Couric: And you called the police.

Sollecito:  And, umm.. Yeah

Couric: But there were other things. I know Rafaele,you both claimed you were at the apartment the night of the murder, and, but your stories were sometimes inconsistent as you know. Amanda confessed to being at the scene, being at her apartment. She then recanted., You told police at one point you didn't know if she might have left your apartment that night because you were asleep so it seems there are still a lot of unanswered questions. So can you understand at least why the police considered you two suspects?

Sollecito:  Well, the police, the police, the detectives they wanted it. [full response appears edited out]

Couric:  You all say you were naïve as well.. 

Sollecito: Yeah we were, we were [uninteligible]

Couric: You didn't get lawyers.. 

Sollecito: We didn't, I didn't feel the need to have a lawyer because I , I didn't touch anything. I didn't get into the murder scene, I, ah, I was completely, logically for me it was impossible that I would be ever charged with a murder like that. 

Couric: I think one of the strangest things that people observed following this murder was your behavior and Amanda's behavior when you all were cuddling, you were kissing, outside the murder scene, almost right after the body had been found and was being removed.. 

Sollecito: But, Amanda was shocked. She was completely shocked, she was staring inside, the mm.. In, in the middle of an empty space, and I was the only one who was ever there to comfort her. It was a comforting kiss. Her family was right ah, right on the other side of the world at that time. The only person she could trust at that time was just me.

Couric: but also you were snuggling at the police station. She was doing a cartwheel during your interrogation even you admit in your book Rafaele, that her behavior made you uncomfortable in retrospect.

Sollecito: No, it's not her behavior that made me uncomfortable. The detectives had eyes on us since the beginning. 

Couric: So you think it was perfectly fine to be sort of cuddling and, at the police headquarters, and for.. 

Sollecito: no, no it wasn't fine. 

Couric: I mean, I know that you've written that you did not feel comfortable with that. 

Sollecito: Yeah, but I didn't feel comfortable because of the Amanda behavior. That was not the right moment because the detectives had eyes on us. So I felt comfortable, uncomfortable for that not because Amanda's personality. 

Couric: When we come back. I know were going to talk about what Rafaelle thinks happened that fateful night and what it was like to reunite later with Amanda in Seattle.. 

[break]

[Video of Amanda in the Seattle airport]

Couric: that was Amanda Knox last October when she arrived back in Seattle after spending four years in an Italian prison. We're continuing our conversation now with Rafaele Sollecito, Amanda's ex-boyfriend, who was with her on the night of the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy. Raffaele, you spent almost 4 years in prison. What was that like? How did you spend your days?

Sollecito:  It was impossible to bear, I wish no one would experience what I experienced. Because six months at first of solitary confinement having all the world against you. It's a wound that it's hard to, to a, to heal.

Couric:  Did you stay in touch with Amanda while you were in prison? Did you exchange notes and letters and communicate?

Sollecito:  Yeah, um almost umm.. Once a week, almost once a week and on average and we shared any kind of thoughts, just talking about days how the days passed on, how, just sharing magazines, books, music CDs. We, we told the relationship with our families, with friends. 

Couric: I know that police your lawyers even your own father tried to get you to turn on Amanda during the course of this.. 

Sollecito: Yeah, um 

Couric: this investigation, but you didn't. Why was it so important for you to stand by her?

Sollecito:  Well I cannot blame my family and my friends to just push me and say, making me realize that I was risking all my life for a girl that I had dated just for, only, something more than one week. It was terrible. And, but, I, um, just, on, on the plate there was ah, just, be, umm, umm, my life over or throw Amanda under the bus. But these two place for me had the same weight, because I cannot walk on the street being a free man just realizing that I'm the reason for a 20 years old innocent to be spend the rest of her life in prison. 

Couric: What do you think happened that night?

Sollecito: well, it's hard to, umm, to imagine what happened that night to Meredith but umm, my defense team just investigating found out that Rudy Guede, this guy, was in the murder scene, did the same kind of barbary to a lawyer office almost one month before. This style was almost the same. So hmm, just realizing that this guy was over there er, umm, was used also by the prosecution to, uh, to charge us. 

Couric: And he is now serving 16 years in prison for the crime and you believe justice has been served? 

Sollecito: Ah well, umm.. I have other ideas about the enjailment in general.

Couric: You think the sentence should've been longer?

Sollecito:  Ah, Well, I'm ah, I don't want to judge,  Eh, uh, I, ah, I, ess, For what I experienced, em, for me, um the enjailment is no reason at all. So, um, it's not the amount of years that you spend in prison that can relieve, er, uh kind of, er, umm, umm, [audible gulp], kind of pain like that. 

Couric: When we come back we are going to talk about your reunion with Amanda Knox.

[break]

Couric: We're back with Raffaele, Amanda Knox's Italian ex-boyfriend. I know that you reunited with Amanda in Seattle in April, you went to visit her. What was that like for you? 

Sollecito: Well, um, I had to spread the image of Amanda that was a ghost brought by, er, portrayed by the media um. in a bad way thas was my nightmare for four years. And the real Amanda, th, th, they, with, during that dreamy week. So when I look at her, I was, I get stuck a little bit. I was nervous, because I, I had, I had the still psychological wounds of this nightmare that had passed in prison. And, her, the, she, her image brought me up also the image of the nightmare. But when she hugging me after a while, um, I realized that Amanda is, the Amanda that I dated for that week, she is not the Amanda that was my nightmare, the ghost Amanda that was the nightmare during the four years. 

Couric: Do you wish you had never met her?


Sollecito:  No. I don't regret it. Because it is not her fault. The fault is from the detectives who brought up the case.

Couric:  And do you still communicate with her now? Are you in touch?

Sollecito:  Yes, we Skyped, we Skype sometimes. We exchange e-mails. Last time she is sent a song for me d.d. during the last Skype communication.  

Couric: I know that the prosecution is appealing your acquittal. There is a chance you could, but it is quite remote, that you could go through another trial, go back to prison. What would you say to a significant number of people who do still believe that you and Amanda were involved in the murder of Meredith Kercher what would you say to them?

Sollecito:  Well, um, I'm pretty sure that they just followed the case by the media. The media frenzy created just a figure that is, is, it doesn't exist. So they created a story to brought just to keep the audience, to keep the audience and make money. They just accepted what the prosecution brought to them. But all the details, they spread around were, were without any circumstance around. They were disconnected to each other and they created a fog of nonsense. So I wrote a book and just to have the opportunity to talk about me to, to keep the figure of me.. 

Couric: And to give your side of the story 

Sollecito: to take the figure they portrayed and take that figure back to me, to my, to my own, and just tell the truth and the story of what happened during the all over, all over this ordeal.

Couric:  It seems to me that the one person almost forgotten in all of this is 21 year old Meredith Kercher who was brutally murdered that night. Her family says they are still looking for answers. What would you say to them today now that time has passed?

Sollecito: Well, um, I cannot barely imagine their pain, there suffer and I'm really sorry for that. But, and I wish them, really badly, I wish them to find out what truly happened to their daughter, because if they found the truth about what happened to her. That would be also for me, um, um, a way to move on because finding the truth is the, is also the truth for me. That we, me and Amanda, we were not there, er, during that night of the murder.

Couric: Raffaele Sollecito, the book is called "Honor Bound My Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox. Thank you very much for being here today. We appreciate it. Everyone here in the audience will be getting a copy of your book. Thank you.

Sollecito:  I'm really glad to be here. 

Couric: Thank you. Thank you.

Transcript: Charlie Rogers 911 Call - Hate Crime Hoax?

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Operator: 911. Where is your emergency?

Rappl: [beeped out]

Operator: Phone number you're calling me from?

Rappl: [beeped out]

Operator: what's going on?

Rappl: umm.. My neighbor just came over and knocked on the door. She said her house is on f..fire and  umm.. She's not got any clothes on. She's handcuffed.

Operator: she's handcuffed?

Rappl : Yes! Umm.. She's not got on..

Operator: Do you see flames or smoke?

Rappl: no I don't. She lives right across the street. She lives at [beeped out]

operator: she lives at.. Where?

Rappl: [beeped out] and I live on the corner of [beeped out] and she lives right across the street from me on the east, to the east of me.

Operator: Okay. And you don't see any flames or anything?

Rappl: no. [beeped out]

Rappl to Charlie Rogers: you say your house is on fire?

Rogers: yeahs

Rappl: she says yeah but I don't see any smoke or anything.

Operator: Okay well we're startin' everybody.

Rappl: Okay. I appreciate that.

Operator: Why is she wearing handcuffs can you ask her that?

Rappl: I… I don't know.  umm.. Anyway, were standing out, We have a, I have a ramp on the east side of my house, we're standing out there and umm..

Operator: Okay. Is there anybody else in the house?

Rappl to Charlie Rogers: [come here, here puppy]… Charlie, is there anybody else in the house?

Rodgers: no. nobody's in the house.

Rappl:  no, nobody's in the house. [Come here.] I'm trying to keep her dogs, there too. She's worried about her dogs.

Operator: so she lives alone there?

Rappl: uh-humm, yeah.

Rogers: sorry

Operator: So who put her in the handcuffs then?

Rappl: I don't know you want to talk to her?

Operator: yeah

Rappl: okay, go, just a minute.

Rogers: h. h. h. h. h. Hello,

operator: hello, are you okay?

Rogers: no n.no No

Operator: Okay what's going on? Why are you wearing handcuffs?

Rodgers: somebody broke into my house.

Operator: Somebody broke into your house. Is it on fire?

Rodgers: yes, yes, I saw them, I saw them light it on fire, and they cut me.

Operator: Okay.

Rogers: and I can't find my dogs.

operator: someone broke in, handcuffed you and cut you?

Rogers: yes, Sir! [sobbing]

operator: okay, we're going to get an ambulance there too Okay? Are you okay?

Rogers: I I I I don't need.. I mean..  yeah. [sobbing]

Operator: How long ago did they leave?

Rogers: just a few minutes ago. I I I couldn't see them.

Operator: you couldn't see them?

Rogers: no they were in my basement. I think…

Operator: were they wearing masks?

Rogers: I was sleeping. Yes, Sir.

Operator: Okay, how many men?

Rogers: Three..three..three

Operator: did you see them leave in a vehicle or anything?

Rogers: I didn't see anything. I just…

Operator: okay, I know I know it's hard. I'm sorry and I am just trying to get some information, I'm sorry. Try to calm down if you can. I know it's not easy. Okay?

Rogers: [sobbing]

Operator: There's nobody else in your house?

Rogers: Nobody's.. I live by myself with my dogs.

Operator: what is your name, ma'am?

Rogers: my name is Charlie Rogers. Sir, [sobbing]

Rogers: Sir, they did it because I'm g.g.gay. They kept saying…

Operator: they did this, they told you they did this because you are gay?

Rogers: yes. I performed with a little kid last weekend… at Pride… and they they… they… They said, they told me stay away from kids.[sobbing]

Rogers to her dogs: Tye.. No.. Tye.. No..[Dog's barking aggressively]

Rogers to arriving police: Nobody's inside.

Operator: is that a police officer?

Rogers: Yeah yeah.

Operator: hopefully they can get the handcuffs off of you.

Rogers: Okay okay it's a zip tie.

Operator: Oh it's a zip tie handcuff, Okay. well, they'll be able to get that off.

Rogers to arriving police: No one else's inside.

[Dog's barking aggressively]

Rogers: is that all?

Operator: Do you see an officer there? Charlie, Talk to him.

Rogers: Okay, bye.

Operator: all right. B'bye.

Rogers bye

Chat Transcript: Peter Hyatt on Charlie Rogers - Crime Wire

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Peter Hyatt spoke on Crime Wire on Blog Talk Radio about Charlie Rogers and other crimes analyzed on his Statement Analysis Blog.

Chat always whips by at such a fast pace when we are all trying to listen to radio at the same time. Here is the transcript from August 14th, 2012.

Date	Time	From	To	Message
2012-08-14	07:57:27 PM	Inside Lenz Network		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:00:04 PM	VitaK		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:07:35 PM	Nanna Frances		Hik, Vita!
2012-08-14	08:07:46 PM	VitaK		Hi Nanna :)
2012-08-14	08:08:27 PM	Guest8581		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:08:48 PM	Nanna Frances		Hobnob should be here. If you go to their website and go to newscast, there is no chat.
2012-08-14	08:09:33 PM	VitaK		oh - I will see if I can find her
2012-08-14	08:09:54 PM	Nanna Frances		Did you hear Jeff Ashton won the primary and no one will be running against him in the ?general elections/
2012-08-14	08:10:20 PM	hobnob		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:10:56 PM	Nanna Frances		I an sorry for typos.
2012-08-14	08:11:06 PM	hobnob		evening smooches kiddlyampers(L):-*
2012-08-14	08:11:27 PM	hobnob		sorry i'm late~hands over tardy note~ i was rebooting
2012-08-14	08:11:35 PM	MsLemon		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:11:39 PM	Nanna Frances		:-*
2012-08-14	08:12:01 PM	hobnob		the deafening silence about the case is overqwhelming
2012-08-14	08:12:02 PM	Nanna Frances		VitaK is looking for you.
2012-08-14	08:12:08 PM	VitaK		Hi Hobs
2012-08-14	08:12:24 PM	hobnob		i did nffin ~radiates innocence~
2012-08-14	08:12:32 PM	equinox999		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:12:46 PM	hobnob		it's odd that the only ones questioning her are the gay community
2012-08-14	08:12:48 PM	Nanna Frances		I am glad Peter submitted analysis to LE about this case.
2012-08-14	08:12:49 PM	equinox999		Wheee! We got chatz!!
2012-08-14	08:13:31 PM	Nanna Frances		Hi, equinox999
2012-08-14	08:13:50 PM	MsLemon		Hi campers
2012-08-14	08:13:54 PM	hobnob		i think i should write her an open letter. how can she be an activist for the GLBT community when she is a liar? who is going to believe real victims of hate crime after her lies?
2012-08-14	08:14:06 PM	equinox999		<<hugs>> Nanna <<hugs>> hobnob <<hugs>> Vitak <<hugs>> Lemo
2012-08-14	08:14:10 PM	Nanna Frances		(}) Lemon1
2012-08-14	08:14:12 PM	equinox999		*Lemon
2012-08-14	08:14:18 PM	MsLemon		(})
2012-08-14	08:14:35 PM	hobnob		if she comes out and admits she lied, explaining why and seeking forgiveness only then could she start to undo the harm she has caused
2012-08-14	08:14:47 PM	equinox999		He's using "we" a lot
2012-08-14	08:14:59 PM	Guest8947		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:15:22 PM	hobnob		if she admits she lied and does some form of community service ( on top of any other penalties) maybe the community can forgive her and true victims will be believed
2012-08-14	08:15:30 PM	VitaK		Hi Camper back Lemons .. Hi EQ
2012-08-14	08:15:38 PM	MsLemon		Heluuhrrr V
2012-08-14	08:15:50 PM	VitaK		Helllurrrrr
2012-08-14	08:16:02 PM	MsLemon		Hi Nanna, Eq, Hobs
2012-08-14	08:16:20 PM	MsLemon		Is Hobs tiny or is it just me?
2012-08-14	08:16:25 PM	VitaK		Isabel's parents - everytime they speak makes me nuts
2012-08-14	08:16:53 PM	VitaK		yes Hobs is a bit small
2012-08-14	08:17:11 PM	MsLemon		Hobs, can you add some air to your balloon?
2012-08-14	08:17:16 PM	hobnob		like in theTia Sharp case the gran said very little and her body language was that of anger against whom? Tia or the grans bf. she did not act or say what would be expected
2012-08-14	08:17:22 PM	Inside Lenz Network		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:17:23 PM	Inside Lenz Network		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:17:34 PM	hobnob		~huffs and puffs~
2012-08-14	08:17:43 PM	hobnob		better?
2012-08-14	08:17:45 PM	MsLemon		Lovely Hobs Thank you
2012-08-14	08:17:50 PM	VitaK		Nope Charlie did not - she does not say it, and she calls herself a survivor
2012-08-14	08:17:51 PM	Inside Lenz Network		Thanks everyone for being here!
2012-08-14	08:17:58 PM	Nanna Frances		Tia's grandmother is the grandmother from Hell!
2012-08-14	08:18:02 PM	hobnob		thanks for having us
2012-08-14	08:18:05 PM	MsLemon		(F)
2012-08-14	08:18:17 PM	hobnob		yep she has apparantly vanished since she was bailed
2012-08-14	08:18:18 PM	VitaK		thank you Inside Lenz
2012-08-14	08:18:20 PM	Inside Lenz Network		(})
2012-08-14	08:18:26 PM	equinox999		Tia looks very much like I did at 11
2012-08-14	08:18:42 PM	VitaK		imagine that Hobs - Gran on the run
2012-08-14	08:19:03 PM	MsLemon		she used "survivor" gak
2012-08-14	08:19:25 PM	VitaK		Tia has a sweet face, makes me sick, her case
2012-08-14	08:19:30 PM	hobnob		What is interesting is that in hate crimes the perps usually target the face so as to send a visible message and also to remind the victim. eveytime they look in the mirror they see the scars
2012-08-14	08:19:50 PM	hobnob		on her arms and stomach are places easily reached and also easily covered
2012-08-14	08:19:52 PM	MsLemon		agree Hobs
2012-08-14	08:20:13 PM	VitaK		she is a slash/victim survivor - its understandable no one believes me
2012-08-14	08:20:16 PM	MsLemon		we expect to hear "stupid ___"
2012-08-14	08:20:27 PM	MsLemon		:D
2012-08-14	08:20:33 PM	hobnob		yep genuine victims will not accept being questioned or doubted
2012-08-14	08:20:39 PM	MsLemon		word
2012-08-14	08:21:05 PM	VitaK		I agree with Peter
2012-08-14	08:21:05 PM	hobnob		we see anger against the perps, demands they be caught and warnings to others to be careful
2012-08-14	08:21:09 PM	equinox999		Charlie told a friend that not being believed was *almost* as bad as the assault. That just floored me
2012-08-14	08:21:12 PM	hobnob		all of this was missing
2012-08-14	08:21:17 PM	hobnob		ep
2012-08-14	08:21:21 PM	MsLemon		me too equinox
2012-08-14	08:21:24 PM	Paul Scharff		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:21:32 PM	Paul Scharff		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:22:03 PM	equinox999		I've never been almost murdered. I've been very lucky and almost never hurt, but the times I have been hurt are etched in my mind and nothing nothing nothing is worse than being hated and harmed
2012-08-14	08:22:13 PM	MsLemon		yes
2012-08-14	08:22:22 PM	Guest9236		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:22:43 PM	Guest9249		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:22:45 PM	hobnob		yep cuts hurt and if she was a victim she would have wriggled and squirmed the cuts wouldn't be tidy and they would be deep
2012-08-14	08:22:47 PM	VitaK		the words Spray Painted - "We Found U " d#ke " - (?) and .......
2012-08-14	08:23:17 PM	hobnob		shallow scratches would be tidy, they would also look worse than they are a bit of smearing and hey presto
2012-08-14	08:23:18 PM	Guest8445		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:23:19 PM	MsLemon		Because she is in a "situation" not an attack
2012-08-14	08:23:35 PM	hobnob		since she was out and proud she wasn't hiding
2012-08-14	08:23:52 PM	hobnob		you would expect to see that if they were closet gay
2012-08-14	08:23:55 PM	VitaK		3 masked men - 3 men running around the house - each had a job? spray paint, fire, carving
2012-08-14	08:24:07 PM	MsLemon		You would think she would be more interested in catching the perps than what others think of her
2012-08-14	08:24:13 PM	equinox999		"Leave children alone" or such... lamest graffiti ever
2012-08-14	08:24:20 PM	Nanna Frances		Just having 3 men break into my house would upset me even if they did noit touch me.
2012-08-14	08:24:25 PM	MsLemon		her safety over her reputation
2012-08-14	08:24:26 PM	equinox999		in the basement
2012-08-14	08:24:36 PM	hobnob		plus it would be n the main room and outside so as to leave a message for all to see, the basement is nothing, no one would see it apart from herself
2012-08-14	08:24:41 PM	VitaK		yah EQ I agree
2012-08-14	08:24:47 PM	MsLemon		No sounds, no smells, no impressions, nothing
2012-08-14	08:24:49 PM	equinox999		no cut on forehead
2012-08-14	08:25:02 PM	equinox999		i didnt notice that.. but after.. yeah!
2012-08-14	08:25:04 PM	hobnob		nope it was a stroy, an event a situation
2012-08-14	08:25:17 PM	VitaK		why wouldnt the media hop all over this - they didnt
2012-08-14	08:25:20 PM	hobnob		yep and head wounds bleed like heck so always look worse than they are
2012-08-14	08:25:43 PM	VitaK		it was said and poof gone, she no longer in the press, or no one wanted to cover the story
2012-08-14	08:25:44 PM	hobnob		they won't come out and say hoax for fear of being seen as biased
2012-08-14	08:25:46 PM	equinox999		Everyone waiting for the smoking gun.. NO ONE wants to take the brunt of the Anti-hate trolls
2012-08-14	08:25:53 PM	MsLemon		Because there was no attack, but there is an agenda?
2012-08-14	08:25:58 PM	Nanna Frances		I thought the neighbor said she was bleeding in her face. Did she?
2012-08-14	08:26:02 PM	equinox999		hob and eq.. thinking same thing
2012-08-14	08:26:04 PM	MsLemon		agree Hobs
2012-08-14	08:26:05 PM	Blog Talk Radio6		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:26:10 PM	Guest9359		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:26:19 PM	hobnob		yes thats what the neighbor said but was it a cut or just smeared blood?
2012-08-14	08:26:38 PM	MsLemon		good question
2012-08-14	08:26:39 PM	VitaK		neighbor said the blood was dry, which area of the bleeding cannt recall
2012-08-14	08:26:45 PM	hobnob		yep
2012-08-14	08:27:03 PM	hobnob		fresh woulds still ooze especially if they were deep
2012-08-14	08:27:05 PM	equinox999		there's a lot of different stories from right after.. two neighbors saw her naked and bleeding at 4am
2012-08-14	08:27:13 PM	Guest8751		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:27:23 PM	MsLemon		head wounds notoriously messy
2012-08-14	08:27:29 PM	VitaK		I have never heard of male hate "group" going after attacking a lesbian
2012-08-14	08:27:41 PM	hobnob		once the truth comes out she will be ostracised from the community
2012-08-14	08:27:46 PM	hobnob		exactly
2012-08-14	08:27:52 PM	VitaK		for being one
2012-08-14	08:27:52 PM	equinox999		then "the friend" that Peter is talking about took the pictures of the basement and gave them to media and social media. Agenda!
2012-08-14	08:27:57 PM	Guest9386		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:28:16 PM	hobnob		males will attack a gay man they won't target a women cos a lot of men fantasise about girl on girl action
2012-08-14	08:28:29 PM	VitaK		yes Hobs
2012-08-14	08:28:40 PM	Nanna Frances		Two lesbians were shot in Texas recently. One died.
2012-08-14	08:28:53 PM	hobnob		if anything it would perhaps have been a female attacking her but even then women are petty comfortable with gay friends
2012-08-14	08:28:59 PM	VitaK		Men that I know do not dislike Lesbians
2012-08-14	08:29:00 PM	Guest9386		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:29:07 PM	MsLemon		the curious "we"
2012-08-14	08:29:31 PM	VitaK		my gym teacher middle school, she lived with another woman - they were not out but found out
2012-08-14	08:29:32 PM	hobnob		exactly men aen't threatened by lesbians, they may feel threatened by gay men
2012-08-14	08:29:45 PM	equinox999		police there are still saying not a hate crime against the lesbians. I don't know, but since 1/7 lesbian or bi - they have to be murder victims sometimes when its not a hate crime
2012-08-14	08:29:52 PM	VitaK		how? they got into a heated one night and the one shot my teacher in the head
2012-08-14	08:30:08 PM	Guest9487		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:30:10 PM	VitaK		she lived to tell
2012-08-14	08:30:14 PM	hobnob		bi sexuals i could see being more at risk than a lesbian
2012-08-14	08:30:19 PM	Guest9487		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:30:21 PM	equinox999		yes hob i agree
2012-08-14	08:30:35 PM	GraceFulljames		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:30:42 PM	equinox999		i read a thing about how much trouble transgender have going to public bathrooms. They are #1 target
2012-08-14	08:31:05 PM	equinox999		Reading hate crime stats its huge # of TG as victims
2012-08-14	08:31:05 PM	hobnob		the reason being they go with both sexes so jealosy is a perceived possibilty for both sexes.
2012-08-14	08:31:08 PM	Guest8947		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:31:28 PM	VitaK		yah and so are men who dress like women and hang around Military when on holiday -
2012-08-14	08:31:34 PM	hobnob		yes because people don't know how to accept them they see them asneither one gender or the other
2012-08-14	08:32:04 PM	equinox999		Some gay think bi make it harder for people to believe that gay is not just a "choice" and is a biological reality. They hate Bi for blurring the lines
2012-08-14	08:32:11 PM	hobnob		though the latest one is pangender
2012-08-14	08:32:18 PM	hobnob		yes
2012-08-14	08:32:28 PM	hobnob		they are seen as neither one nor the other
2012-08-14	08:33:08 PM	hobnob		i see charlie and i wonder if she is perhaps intersex and thus confused about her identity, she looks masculine
2012-08-14	08:33:14 PM	GraceFulljames		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:33:20 PM	MsLemon		she does look masculine
2012-08-14	08:33:26 PM	VitaK		Ms. Rogers was an athelete she is 6'2
2012-08-14	08:33:30 PM	equinox999		Is Susan Milano on? Is that her? I hope she is doing well. She has all my deepest thoughts for healing
2012-08-14	08:33:50 PM	hobnob		SA looks at the wrods spoken only
2012-08-14	08:34:07 PM	Nanna Frances		Susan is not one tonight.
2012-08-14	08:34:28 PM	equinox999		oh :(
2012-08-14	08:34:34 PM	hobnob		chark lie has issues, i wonder if she hates herself and so looks for attention
2012-08-14	08:34:43 PM	hobnob		LOL
2012-08-14	08:34:52 PM	MsLemon		HOB NOB!
2012-08-14	08:34:55 PM	hobnob		~waves~
2012-08-14	08:35:15 PM	Guest9651		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:35:22 PM	Nanna Frances		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:35:28 PM	hobnob		my pleasure
2012-08-14	08:35:35 PM	Nanna Frances		enter the room
2012-08-14	08:36:04 PM	Inside Lenz Network		Thanks Equinox. Susan is not able to be on at this time.....This is Kim Kolton. I will give her your best!
2012-08-14	08:36:07 PM	equinox999		I think she was once very powerful and important. Tons of attention, cheering crowds. Life since college has been normal.. she's just one of the crowd.. and she can't stand it. Lots of famous people die young when
2012-08-14	08:36:11 PM	equinox999		the attention fades
2012-08-14	08:36:25 PM	MsLemon		Huskers
2012-08-14	08:36:34 PM	hobnob		~buckles up~
2012-08-14	08:36:34 PM	VitaK		my community is very liberal and we do not have issues of hate, not here, it comes from the outside " in"
2012-08-14	08:36:44 PM	MsLemon		Bite your tongue Peter Huskies...pffffft
2012-08-14	08:36:52 PM	equinox999		Hi Kim, yes please tell her for all of us that we love her and her work and I miss her.
2012-08-14	08:37:10 PM	Inside Lenz Network		Will do! Equinox!
2012-08-14	08:37:15 PM	hobnob		all the best to Susan(F)
2012-08-14	08:37:17 PM	VitaK		we have Gay parades in my city and it's supported by all - issues would come from one who planned it
2012-08-14	08:37:32 PM	VitaK		from the outside
2012-08-14	08:37:34 PM	MsLemon		Best to Susan!(F)
2012-08-14	08:37:46 PM	MsLemon		Thanks Kim
2012-08-14	08:37:52 PM	hobnob		yep society on the whole has become accepting of other lifestyles
2012-08-14	08:38:03 PM	VitaK		Big Love to Susan (F)(L)
2012-08-14	08:38:15 PM	hobnob		apart from marriage there is little for activist to choose as a cause
2012-08-14	08:38:54 PM	Inside Lenz Network		You bet, MsLemon!
2012-08-14	08:39:13 PM	Inside Lenz Network		My pleasure
2012-08-14	08:39:18 PM	equinox999		Kerri Dunn graduated law 1998.. Charlie Rogers basketball 1996-2000
2012-08-14	08:39:24 PM	MsLemon		:)
2012-08-14	08:39:27 PM	equinox999		Univ Nebraska at Lincoln
2012-08-14	08:39:34 PM	MsLemon		Cornhuskers
2012-08-14	08:39:35 PM	equinox999		both lesbian activists
2012-08-14	08:39:38 PM	Nanna Frances		Blessing for Susan.(L)
2012-08-14	08:39:50 PM	hobnob		and it also means lesser charges perhaps since she couldn't acccess the money ( obtaining money by deception)
2012-08-14	08:40:06 PM	Nanna Frances		I keep losing sound.
2012-08-14	08:40:21 PM	VitaK		I found it online Ms. Rogers had listed 2 times earlier this year - Selling Everything inside her house - all must go, everything
2012-08-14	08:40:23 PM	MsLemon		Spraypainted the Nasty basement walls...not the lovely upstairs walls
2012-08-14	08:41:10 PM	hobnob		she would have had bruises from being restrained at 6ft plus she would be pretty strong and could put up a good fight , she would proiabably been taller than the alleged assailants
2012-08-14	08:41:11 PM	Nanna Frances		so she money problems...
2012-08-14	08:41:12 PM	equinox999		really vitak? thats interesting.. and not in a good way
2012-08-14	08:41:28 PM	VitaK		to ads written by her, in April 2012 - now this trust fund created, that will not be disbursed until its investigated proven a crime happened
2012-08-14	08:41:52 PM	MsLemon		I worry what she may do to herself
2012-08-14	08:41:58 PM	hobnob		exacctly
2012-08-14	08:42:05 PM	MsLemon		a cry for help?
2012-08-14	08:42:07 PM	VitaK		giant letters " Everything Goes" selling everything
2012-08-14	08:42:09 PM	hobnob		will she self harm once the truth comes out?
2012-08-14	08:42:21 PM	equinox999		because she planned to torch her house?
2012-08-14	08:42:27 PM	hobnob		is she a self harmer prior to this?
2012-08-14	08:42:35 PM	MsLemon		is she a cutter?
2012-08-14	08:42:59 PM	hobnob		yep or a picker
2012-08-14	08:43:00 PM	VitaK		I think so Lemons, cutter, I knew a guy who I worked with, he was a cutter
2012-08-14	08:43:30 PM	VitaK		god it was awful, it escalated and mgmt got involved - everything was offered to him to aid him
2012-08-14	08:43:38 PM	equinox999		Someone on eyes4lies blog said her complexion looked like drug user. I wouldnt know.. anyone?
2012-08-14	08:43:53 PM	MsLemon		Picking Hobs ref'ed
2012-08-14	08:44:03 PM	hobnob		when she is shown a liar and charged she will have no one to turn to, her cause celebre will vanish , she will have nothing to look forward to
2012-08-14	08:44:04 PM	VitaK		her face is picked or gouged with fingnails as I see
2012-08-14	08:44:12 PM	Inside Lenz Network		call in number: 1-646-478-0982
2012-08-14	08:44:49 PM	hobnob		she won't get a job with kids, as a proven liar she will be unemployable in , most places for fear she will make false allegations against oter staff memebers
2012-08-14	08:44:52 PM	VitaK		she needs Mental Health Care - Ms Rogers does
2012-08-14	08:44:57 PM	hobnob		yep
2012-08-14	08:45:01 PM	MsLemon		yes
2012-08-14	08:45:15 PM	equinox999		Can't pull myself away from chat to call
2012-08-14	08:45:28 PM	VitaK		whatever kicked this off with her was a major break in her life
2012-08-14	08:45:36 PM	MsLemon		Hobs call
2012-08-14	08:45:53 PM	hobnob		and scare them with my dulcet tones?
2012-08-14	08:46:04 PM	VitaK		yes HOBS - scare us
2012-08-14	08:46:05 PM	MsLemon		Your lovely accent!
2012-08-14	08:46:12 PM	hobnob		i wonder if she was living with someone or was in a relationship
2012-08-14	08:46:15 PM	Nanna Frances		Agree, ket's hear Hob's accent,
2012-08-14	08:46:17 PM	equinox999		I sound all girly.. soft voice.. messes with my mean crime-fighter online persona
2012-08-14	08:46:21 PM	VitaK		you have followed this since the day it hit the press
2012-08-14	08:46:22 PM	MsLemon		dulcet tones - now you're just bragging
2012-08-14	08:46:39 PM	equinox999		i wanna hear hobs
2012-08-14	08:46:40 PM	MsLemon		equinox, you tiger
2012-08-14	08:46:42 PM	hobnob		i have the perfect face for radio
2012-08-14	08:46:47 PM	MsLemon		Hobs!
2012-08-14	08:46:55 PM	hobnob		yes dear?
2012-08-14	08:47:01 PM	equinox999		hobs.. you found this story first.. call in and say what rang your bell
2012-08-14	08:47:04 PM	VitaK		call in
2012-08-14	08:47:05 PM	MsLemon		please call
2012-08-14	08:47:18 PM	Guest9236		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:47:34 PM	hobnob		most of what i would ask has been asked in conf or peter has covered
2012-08-14	08:47:53 PM	MsLemon		ask Peter If she's at risk for self harm
2012-08-14	08:48:16 PM	MsLemon		what questions would Peter ask Charlie R?
2012-08-14	08:48:17 PM	Nanna Frances		Do you think Charlie is not challenged because she is gay?
2012-08-14	08:48:57 PM	MsLemon		Peter, what would you ask Charlie Rogers?
2012-08-14	08:49:21 PM	MsLemon		If you could talk to her what would you ask her?
2012-08-14	08:49:26 PM	VitaK		Its very complex, I believe Nanna with Ms. Rogers, she has identity issues
2012-08-14	08:49:46 PM	MsLemon		deeper than "gay" more broad
2012-08-14	08:49:54 PM	MsLemon		I agree Vita
2012-08-14	08:49:59 PM	VitaK		the children portion of this - the unsaid, it part of this
2012-08-14	08:50:20 PM	equinox999		yes.. good question.. I will never forget the day he interviewed Billie Jean Dunn on blogtalkradio.. i dont think i breathed
2012-08-14	08:50:24 PM	VitaK		her not allowed to told she could not be around them in work
2012-08-14	08:50:50 PM	MsLemon		touchy area for her V I agree
2012-08-14	08:50:54 PM	Guest9651		quit the room
2012-08-14	08:51:03 PM	hobnob		calling in
2012-08-14	08:51:08 PM	equinox999		yay!
2012-08-14	08:51:26 PM	VitaK		very and what I dont understand is why would she not work for a gay friendly org for children if this was an issue
2012-08-14	08:51:59 PM	MsLemon		Go Hobs
2012-08-14	08:52:45 PM	VitaK		that she was not accepted by mainstream to work with children due to her being a lesbian ( ?)
2012-08-14	08:53:02 PM	hobnob		~goes~ lol
2012-08-14	08:53:08 PM	MsLemon		I think she was looking for meaning, for being, valuable again
2012-08-14	08:53:20 PM	VitaK		maybe she should not be around children for reasons not said, but are enough
2012-08-14	08:53:24 PM	MsLemon		Yay!
2012-08-14	08:53:25 PM	equinox999		yes, lemon
2012-08-14	08:53:30 PM	equinox999		Yay HOBS!
2012-08-14	08:53:34 PM	equinox999		ooooh!
2012-08-14	08:53:35 PM	VitaK		woot woot
2012-08-14	08:53:37 PM	MsLemon		'ello Hobs
2012-08-14	08:53:53 PM	Nanna Frances		There's our Hobnob!
2012-08-14	08:53:55 PM	VitaK		(L)
2012-08-14	08:54:01 PM	MsLemon		(L)
2012-08-14	08:54:14 PM	Nanna Frances		(L)
2012-08-14	08:54:56 PM	VitaK		........ hah
2012-08-14	08:55:34 PM	equinox999		I would sign open letter.. great idea
2012-08-14	08:55:57 PM	VitaK		I have to believe yes - she is scouring the net
2012-08-14	08:56:03 PM	MsLemon		I agree
2012-08-14	08:56:20 PM	MsLemon		Anthony Weiner did
2012-08-14	08:56:39 PM	equinox999		it was only one online newspaper who in one line questioned whether her story was true. She went on TV just from that. So she was already reading the online news
2012-08-14	08:56:50 PM	MsLemon		yep
2012-08-14	08:57:06 PM	MsLemon		Yes Peter
2012-08-14	08:57:30 PM	VitaK		rejection
2012-08-14	08:57:47 PM	MsLemon		Hobs said the b word
2012-08-14	08:57:59 PM	MsLemon		:D
2012-08-14	08:57:59 PM	equinox999		We would like to have sympathy.. but she needs to come clean first
2012-08-14	08:58:09 PM	VitaK		I agree Eq
2012-08-14	08:58:17 PM	MsLemon		Agree Eq
2012-08-14	08:58:37 PM	MsLemon		porkies!
2012-08-14	08:58:41 PM	VitaK		many people put their hearts out for her - and it was automatic
2012-08-14	08:58:55 PM	Nanna Frances		If she had breakup, that would explain selling the furniture.
2012-08-14	08:59:11 PM	equinox999		hobnob for president! er... queen!
2012-08-14	08:59:23 PM	MsLemon		(lol)
2012-08-14	09:00:12 PM	VitaK		Go Hobs - yes !
2012-08-14	09:00:21 PM	MsLemon		bloop
2012-08-14	09:00:23 PM	equinox999		boo... audio gone
2012-08-14	09:00:31 PM	VitaK		this politically correct crap is nonsence
2012-08-14	09:00:44 PM	Nanna Frances		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:00:48 PM	VitaK		dang it show boooonnnng over
2012-08-14	09:00:52 PM	MsLemon		She is a person telling lies, not a lesbian telling lies
2012-08-14	09:01:06 PM	MsLemon		Hobs you did fab!
2012-08-14	09:01:21 PM	VitaK		I agree she is person first
2012-08-14	09:01:21 PM	MsLemon		Peter, great job!
2012-08-14	09:01:32 PM	Guest8495		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:01:37 PM	hobnob		ask and ye shall receive LOL
2012-08-14	09:01:42 PM	VitaK		Hobs & Peter awesome show - Thank You Inside Lenz
2012-08-14	09:01:50 PM	MsLemon		Brilliant Hobs!
2012-08-14	09:01:57 PM	hobnob		another excellent show well done and thanks for letting us run amok
2012-08-14	09:02:24 PM	MsLemon		I agree V Thank You Kim, Inside Lenz(F)
2012-08-14	09:02:25 PM	equinox999		I needed that! Great show. Peter Hobnob Kim !!
2012-08-14	09:03:00 PM	hobnob		i shall mash fingers to keyboard and write a letter to her i'll pot on the blog and wherever else i harrass and you will be welcome to copy and paste
2012-08-14	09:03:10 PM	Inside Lenz Network		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:03:19 PM	VitaK		the letter is a great idea
2012-08-14	09:03:24 PM	MsLemon		yep
2012-08-14	09:03:33 PM	Guest8293		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:03:46 PM	MsLemon		offer her the chance to come clean, get some help for herself
2012-08-14	09:03:51 PM	hobnob		applying subtle pressue and reassuring her at the same time, i am sure i can think up something
2012-08-14	09:03:55 PM	hobnob		yep
2012-08-14	09:03:57 PM	MsLemon		yep
2012-08-14	09:03:57 PM	equinox999		Charlie if you are reading this, you had better give it up before you push it beyond where you can ever be granted forgiveness. Today you and your troubles could be recognized.. down the road, there will be only anger.
2012-08-14	09:04:13 PM	VitaK		Ms. Rogers if your in this chat, it's not what you say, it's how you it - and if this was Hoax, coming forward will only allow you to breathe again
2012-08-14	09:04:22 PM	hobnob		the public is pretty forgiving when someone comes clean
2012-08-14	09:04:50 PM	MsLemon		Give herself the space in honesty to truly heal from what is really going on
2012-08-14	09:04:55 PM	hobnob		i still don't have an accent
2012-08-14	09:05:00 PM	MsLemon		you do
2012-08-14	09:05:03 PM	hobnob		exactly
2012-08-14	09:05:10 PM	MsLemon		blimey
2012-08-14	09:05:20 PM	MsLemon		Hobs, we enjoy you so
2012-08-14	09:05:22 PM	equinox999		its so loverly accent :-*
2012-08-14	09:05:57 PM	hobnob		~hands out ear wax remover~
2012-08-14	09:06:02 PM	VitaK		People don't want to find out It was Hoax and proven by TMZ etc. It's better for one to come forward, admit and be free of it, the consequences to be a lot less heat
2012-08-14	09:06:15 PM	MsLemon		I agree V
2012-08-14	09:06:25 PM	Guest9249		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:06:27 PM	hobnob		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:06:45 PM	VitaK		god how exhausting it would be to carry this around in your head -
2012-08-14	09:07:10 PM	equinox999		It was great to get together. I do hope Peter and Heather start up radio again in the fall. I miss hanging out.
2012-08-14	09:07:30 PM	VitaK		I miss the shows and chats too Eq
2012-08-14	09:07:42 PM	MsLemon		me 3 (yikes)
2012-08-14	09:07:59 PM	equinox999		We really steam up some clues in chat. A wave of crime-fighting luv!
2012-08-14	09:08:00 PM	VitaK		did HObs leave?
2012-08-14	09:08:15 PM	equinox999		She's off to power-type
2012-08-14	09:08:22 PM	MsLemon		off to sign autographs, it would seem
2012-08-14	09:08:29 PM	VitaK		yah so much we cannot fit in the box on S.A.
2012-08-14	09:08:49 PM	MsLemon		she's onto the letter already I would bet
2012-08-14	09:08:56 PM	VitaK		it will fit, but won't be understood as a blurb,
2012-08-14	09:08:59 PM	equinox999		we can't reply to each other, its not threaded chat.. like 80s technology
2012-08-14	09:09:24 PM	VitaK		the garage house sale, that I found had I posted it on S.A. I would look like a creepy stalker
2012-08-14	09:09:49 PM	equinox999		I thought you were a crime-fighting cyber-fact-stalker VitaK?
2012-08-14	09:09:54 PM	MsLemon		I hope Hobs gets to post as a guest writer on the blog, for space issues
2012-08-14	09:09:58 PM	VitaK		thought it was interesting though, since how many times does one post - entire contents of house must go
2012-08-14	09:10:18 PM	MsLemon		V is a fact stalker
2012-08-14	09:10:29 PM	VitaK		garage sale yes, entire household ( whut)
2012-08-14	09:10:33 PM	equinox999		If you have the link, post it here
2012-08-14	09:10:47 PM	VitaK		I will have to dig for it in my emails - one sec
2012-08-14	09:10:55 PM	MsLemon		Did Nanna leave too?
2012-08-14	09:11:05 PM	equinox999		right away when radio ended
2012-08-14	09:11:12 PM	MsLemon		oh
2012-08-14	09:11:35 PM	equinox999		Peter wasn't on chat so I will send him a copy of transcript. He will SA us all
2012-08-14	09:11:44 PM	MsLemon		:D
2012-08-14	09:12:00 PM	equinox999		I leave off pronouns All The Time
2012-08-14	09:12:14 PM	equinox999		cuz I'm scared to own my opinions
2012-08-14	09:12:25 PM	MsLemon		~ mumbles "I know nothing"~
2012-08-14	09:12:58 PM	equinox999		I loved the thread today about really stupid criminals
2012-08-14	09:13:07 PM	equinox999		I laughed so hard. Funniest thread yet
2012-08-14	09:13:18 PM	MsLemon		Are you really scared or joking Eq?
2012-08-14	09:13:49 PM	equinox999		http://seamusoriley.blogspot.ca/2012/08/mother-and-son-in-toy-scam.html - so funny!
2012-08-14	09:14:01 PM	MsLemon		:D
2012-08-14	09:14:04 PM	VitaK		http://www.nebraska.gov/LISSearch/search.cgi?mode=details&lid=327239&stype=I
2012-08-14	09:15:00 PM	equinox999		yes Lemon I am trying to learn to be bold
2012-08-14	09:15:39 PM	MsLemon		wow, that surprises me. You seem bolder to me :)
2012-08-14	09:15:48 PM	MsLemon		Good for you
2012-08-14	09:15:52 PM	equinox999		I have some blog posts up where I explain that I believe Dennis Dechaine did kill Sarah Cherry - and I'm taking some heat
2012-08-14	09:16:23 PM	VitaK		www.ecofreek.com/index.php?q=29Th%20Amendment...1...90 items – ONE DAY ONLY ALL MUST GO (1014 S 22nd St Lincoln, NE). ONE DAY ONLY FRIDAY, APRIL 13TH, 2012. ADDRESS: 1014 S 22nd Street Lincoln,
2012-08-14	09:17:06 PM	MsLemon		hmmm...maybe she was getting rid of a significant other's stuff?
2012-08-14	09:17:13 PM	equinox999		Peter never did SA Dennis' testimony so I'm going on my own analysis.
2012-08-14	09:17:28 PM	MsLemon		I see eq
2012-08-14	09:17:33 PM	equinox999		VitaK you confirmed that's her house with the graffiti in the basement?
2012-08-14	09:17:38 PM	MsLemon		and you're getting pushback
2012-08-14	09:17:54 PM	VitaK		oh yah its her house, they showed it in the press
2012-08-14	09:18:12 PM	VitaK		and the address I matched on a real estate site - same house, as in the press
2012-08-14	09:18:30 PM	equinox999		and I should get pushback, and I had to make the choice to expect it, but it's still scary, because I have no criminal justice background at all
2012-08-14	09:18:41 PM	MsLemon		I get it
2012-08-14	09:18:43 PM	VitaK		showed her outside of her home, on a local news press the day after
2012-08-14	09:18:46 PM	equinox999		I knew you would confirm Vitak.. thanks
2012-08-14	09:19:29 PM	VitaK		and she too is listed in the white pages same address, name, age, all match
2012-08-14	09:19:37 PM	MsLemon		I'm curious as a cat about the spray paint and what they know about it
2012-08-14	09:19:51 PM	equinox999		So what's with the "we found u dyke" If it was that easy?
2012-08-14	09:20:03 PM	Blog Talk Radio6		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:20:10 PM	MsLemon		Bugs me to no end the nasty basement sprayed and not the nice upstairs walls
2012-08-14	09:20:13 PM	VitaK		does the scratchs made match the hand of the spray
2012-08-14	09:20:33 PM	VitaK		omg Lemons you slay me
2012-08-14	09:20:42 PM	MsLemon		8-|
2012-08-14	09:20:46 PM	VitaK		helter skelter
2012-08-14	09:21:00 PM	VitaK		nice walls left, old basement painted up
2012-08-14	09:21:15 PM	equinox999		Like Amanda Knox, will someone come forward saying they saw her shopping for 1) spray paint 2) zipties 3) gasoline can 4) knife 5) matches?
2012-08-14	09:21:19 PM	VitaK		would not want to have to repaint the living room
2012-08-14	09:21:26 PM	MsLemon		exactly
2012-08-14	09:22:10 PM	VitaK		OH you jived my memory - an Anon posted on SA, that the Carving and the tying up - same story line as the movie- Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
2012-08-14	09:22:18 PM	MsLemon		I'm also dying to know if the zipties had bite marks on the end of them
2012-08-14	09:22:40 PM	MsLemon		you know, pulled with your teef
2012-08-14	09:23:08 PM	VitaK		it is the story line of the girl with the Dragon Tattoo, I watched it about a month ago
2012-08-14	09:23:25 PM	MsLemon		Its easy peasy to get out of zipties tied behind you back - seconds out
2012-08-14	09:23:43 PM	VitaK		she is first the victim, she tied up, she tortured, she then gets her revenge on the man who did this to her
2012-08-14	09:23:44 PM	MsLemon		I like that movie
2012-08-14	09:23:51 PM	MsLemon		big time revenge
2012-08-14	09:23:58 PM	VitaK		she does get it doesn't she
2012-08-14	09:24:12 PM	MsLemon		in a word, yes
2012-08-14	09:24:13 PM	VitaK		she is good actress
2012-08-14	09:24:17 PM	MsLemon		very
2012-08-14	09:24:29 PM	MsLemon		Roony Mara - o-mazing
2012-08-14	09:24:38 PM	VitaK		was hard to follow, would like to see it again
2012-08-14	09:25:04 PM	VitaK		I think I was so facinated by her, I lost track of the entangled story line
2012-08-14	09:25:06 PM	MsLemon		You have to see it again I had read the books, saw it, and saw a lot more the second time around
2012-08-14	09:25:35 PM	equinox999		I admit I watched it dubbed since i dont see so well anymore and the swedish was so similar to english and the voice acting so good I forgot it was dubbed
2012-08-14	09:25:50 PM	VitaK		wow
2012-08-14	09:26:47 PM	VitaK		OH I didn't share, but I found a interview last night online, ughgh. A interview in Michigan Press, of Kevin Chamberlain
2012-08-14	09:27:04 PM	equinox999		that is father of AC?
2012-08-14	09:27:04 PM	VitaK		he is the rep of the Chippewa Tribe, and family member - Carnel
2012-08-14	09:27:20 PM	VitaK		he is cousin of Carnel's mother
2012-08-14	09:27:25 PM	MsLemon		yes
2012-08-14	09:27:25 PM	equinox999		CC i meant
2012-08-14	09:27:30 PM	MsLemon		a new interview
2012-08-14	09:27:33 PM	VitaK		what a crock of crap -
2012-08-14	09:27:48 PM	VitaK		I sent it to Peter and he said he could not stomach to put it up on the blog
2012-08-14	09:27:56 PM	MsLemon		that bad
2012-08-14	09:28:25 PM	VitaK		http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120812/NEWS/120819921/chamberlain-speaks-out-against-abuse
2012-08-14	09:28:26 PM	equinox999		Carnel was a brash, unique, sensational little boy. Why can I see that and not his sickening mother and "stepdad"?
2012-08-14	09:28:49 PM	VitaK		he blames the White Man and Christianity for Carnel's " death"
2012-08-14	09:28:57 PM	MsLemon		good lord
2012-08-14	09:29:17 PM	VitaK		its quite the interview
2012-08-14	09:29:20 PM	equinox999		well sure.. it was a white christian man who killed him.. uh.. wait..
2012-08-14	09:29:29 PM	equinox999		frak
2012-08-14	09:29:43 PM	MsLemon		with "joker" tattooed on his neck...ack
2012-08-14	09:29:50 PM	VitaK		he goes back to 1800 and " educates" the white man - of their sufferage
2012-08-14	09:29:57 PM	VitaK		which is still today
2012-08-14	09:30:07 PM	Guest8211		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:30:14 PM	VitaK		and cause of Carnels torture and abuse
2012-08-14	09:30:26 PM	MsLemon		I think a frak is a freak?
2012-08-14	09:30:41 PM	VitaK		he rubbed me wrong from jump - arrogant
2012-08-14	09:30:46 PM	MsLemon		me too
2012-08-14	09:30:49 PM	equinox999		I remember being invited to a bizarre party, where after meal everyone suddenly turned to me and said "I am the reincarnation of so-and-so" Joan of Arc was there.. and 1/2 of Jesus
2012-08-14	09:31:00 PM	MsLemon		holy cow
2012-08-14	09:31:03 PM	VitaK		and I said too, to me sounds like he too was abused, he got lucky, he went to school
2012-08-14	09:31:24 PM	equinox999		and they threw me out because I said "well, that's all very cool who you used to be, but don't you think its most important who you are now?"
2012-08-14	09:31:34 PM	equinox999		Same with the indians
2012-08-14	09:31:38 PM	VitaK		thank You Eq
2012-08-14	09:31:38 PM	MsLemon		(lol):S
2012-08-14	09:32:01 PM	VitaK		its a hard read, the interview
2012-08-14	09:32:45 PM	VitaK		Who is it for? is my bottom line question, to me it sounds as if he is shallowing admitting all were aware that Carnel was being targeted, abused and no one did anything
2012-08-14	09:33:04 PM	equinox999		They may be oppressed, but they can band together and make their ancestors proud. Blame won't do that.. not a shred.
2012-08-14	09:33:16 PM	MsLemon		brb
2012-08-14	09:33:17 PM	VitaK		you can say that again
2012-08-14	09:33:24 PM	VitaK		k Lemons
2012-08-14	09:33:54 PM	VitaK		I am scared that Carnel will never be served, that no charges will come
2012-08-14	09:34:08 PM	equinox999		"We fought genocide and tyranny so that 200 years later you could whine about your bad breaks while pulling in 5K per month for doing nothing."
2012-08-14	09:34:27 PM	VitaK		E I found a huge lawsuit on file, for Jaimee's mother's husband
2012-08-14	09:35:35 PM	VitaK		he practically killed her - he r@ped her, beat her to a thread of her life
2012-08-14	09:35:49 PM	equinox999		omg
2012-08-14	09:35:56 PM	VitaK		the Chippewa went after State of Mich, Fed Govt - huge case
2012-08-14	09:36:12 PM	VitaK		that since it happned on Chippewa land he was protected
2012-08-14	09:36:39 PM	VitaK		they the Tribe wanting all the charges dropped
2012-08-14	09:37:22 PM	VitaK		this is why I say I am scared to think what could happen
2012-08-14	09:38:24 PM	MsLemon		back
2012-08-14	09:38:27 PM	equinox999		He's already lost everything, all he has left is justice.
2012-08-14	09:38:28 PM	VitaK		http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120812/NEWS/120819921/chamberlain-speaks-out-against-abuse
2012-08-14	09:38:36 PM	VitaK		sorry
2012-08-14	09:38:50 PM	VitaK		http://turtletalk.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/appellant-brief-habeas-moses.pdf
2012-08-14	09:40:12 PM	VitaK		its amazing the lengths they will go After the fact to protect someone - who is a Perp slime bag
2012-08-14	09:40:38 PM	VitaK		4 yrs old boys don't need to be protected
2012-08-14	09:41:44 PM	MsLemon		I do hope Carnel gets justice, and the whole thing isn't swept under the rug
2012-08-14	09:42:22 PM	MsLemon		thanks for the links V
2012-08-14	09:42:23 PM	VitaK		flips my brain and heart everytime I see his photo
2012-08-14	09:42:43 PM	VitaK		all this WE are Tribe is hogwash - yea and so what
2012-08-14	09:42:59 PM	MsLemon		it didn't help Carnel did it
2012-08-14	09:43:12 PM	VitaK		I dont care if your in a Union for Doughnut makers
2012-08-14	09:43:59 PM	VitaK		doen'st matter - what matters is he was Failed, he was set up, he was targetted, he was hunted, he was abused, and killed
2012-08-14	09:44:13 PM	VitaK		in less than 4wks
2012-08-14	09:44:55 PM	VitaK		now Carnel is a victim and he cannot even offer his side of the story
2012-08-14	09:44:59 PM	MsLemon		Is Eq still around?
2012-08-14	09:45:09 PM	VitaK		she is still here somewhere
2012-08-14	09:45:11 PM	MsLemon		or did I miss her
2012-08-14	09:45:15 PM	MsLemon		oh ok
2012-08-14	09:45:26 PM	VitaK		she may be reading the document I linked
2012-08-14	09:46:01 PM	MsLemon		I need to head out...can you tell her bye for me if she pops back? It was great chatting V!
2012-08-14	09:46:09 PM	VitaK		gak went to the market, that I normally do not go to, and holy crap does mainstream stuff cost more, than Traders
2012-08-14	09:46:24 PM	MsLemon		8-|
2012-08-14	09:46:29 PM	equinox999		I'm reading
2012-08-14	09:46:49 PM	MsLemon		take care equinox, be bold like a lion!
2012-08-14	09:46:54 PM	equinox999		The Kevin Chamberlain article.. i actually like a lot of the things he is saying.. so far
2012-08-14	09:46:56 PM	VitaK		KK Lemon's I am glad you were here this evening - I wish we could have wkly chats again
2012-08-14	09:47:21 PM	MsLemon		V, always a pleasure...I wish too! I miss them! :-*(})
2012-08-14	09:47:30 PM	VitaK		kk Good Night
2012-08-14	09:47:36 PM	MsLemon		(})
2012-08-14	09:47:42 PM	VitaK		(F)(})
2012-08-14	09:48:00 PM	equinox999		nite lemon!
2012-08-14	09:48:02 PM	MsLemon		quit the room
2012-08-14	09:48:13 PM	equinox999		late.. lol
2012-08-14	09:48:18 PM	VitaK		It's too much for me to absorb when they have said nothing for Carnel and it's now Aug
2012-08-14	09:49:05 PM	equinox999		My blog post for sweet Carnel http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2012/07/carnel-chamberlain-in-pictures.html
2012-08-14	09:49:16 PM	VitaK		court for Bennett not till Oct and then November, will it too be pushed up - or he will walk, since he was not charged with Carnel's death. He charged with abuse in May and early June.
2012-08-14	09:49:59 PM	VitaK		so Amazing E
2012-08-14	09:50:05 PM	VitaK		I have something for you one sec
2012-08-14	09:50:17 PM	equinox999		Yes, why no murder charge? He was burned up under the house - where only AB was there. Give me a break.
2012-08-14	09:52:39 PM	VitaK		see if these links work for you - I made these this weekend, feel free to post them
2012-08-14	09:52:44 PM	VitaK		http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/life/FotoFlexer_Photogcc.jpg
2012-08-14	09:53:13 PM	VitaK		http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/life/BeFunky_Tilt-Shift_1cchoney.jpg
2012-08-14	09:54:37 PM	VitaK		http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/life/pizapcom13447320538241carnelwildfire.jpg
2012-08-14	09:55:46 PM	VitaK		one more, was going to send these to the FB that is set up for him
2012-08-14	09:55:52 PM	VitaK		http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/life/BeFunky_FotoFlexer_Phototreeoflifecc.jpg
2012-08-14	09:56:08 PM	VitaK		not the one that is selling tshirts but the other Justice for him FB
2012-08-14	09:57:36 PM	equinox999		Yes, I will add some of them.. heartbreaking
2012-08-14	09:57:48 PM	VitaK		he has so few photos
2012-08-14	09:57:49 PM	equinox999		you made them?
2012-08-14	09:57:53 PM	VitaK		yep
2012-08-14	09:58:16 PM	VitaK		the one is from a cartoon - the horse is named Spirit
2012-08-14	09:58:42 PM	VitaK		there is the song Wildfire -that someone used Spirit in their video
2012-08-14	09:58:56 PM	equinox999		I got lucky and found baby pictures. I cringe everytime I see the bruised bald head picture in the news.. Its so wrong
2012-08-14	09:59:51 PM	VitaK		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepJ6GeyvaQ this song goes with the Horse Spirit Soaring, I see Carnel as the Horse not the young male indian in the video
2012-08-14	09:59:52 PM	equinox999		he's stripped of his beautiful thick hair, battered and grinning in terror. Its like seeing him minutes before he died
2012-08-14	10:01:03 PM	VitaK		his hair, his beautiful hair, it breaks my heart that his head was shaved
2012-08-14	10:01:22 PM	equinox999		I agree, he had a wild spirit, and those psychopaths hated him for it
2012-08-14	10:01:41 PM	equinox999		to humiliate.. bring him down.. make him small
2012-08-14	10:01:48 PM	equinox999		and afraid
2012-08-14	10:04:17 PM	VitaK		the one woman to speak for him
2012-08-14	10:04:20 PM	VitaK		his memorial
2012-08-14	10:04:39 PM	VitaK		og I cried when I read what he would say in the morning - How did you sleep?
2012-08-14	10:04:46 PM	VitaK		how sweet
2012-08-14	10:05:13 PM	equinox999		Did JC and AB even notice I wonder?
2012-08-14	10:05:21 PM	VitaK		he concerned for the one to wake - How did you sleep
2012-08-14	10:06:00 PM	VitaK		god knows what they heard saw of him - if he wasnt just a punching bag for their entertainment
2012-08-14	10:06:51 PM	equinox999		His cousin implied they kept him around just long enough to score an extra $1K on their disribution.
2012-08-14	10:06:54 PM	VitaK		Tommy brother of JC to say that witnesses told LE in front of him, that they saw JB torture and kill a cat in the bathroom - this while Carnel was living there
2012-08-14	10:07:26 PM	VitaK		did he make Carnel watch?
2012-08-14	10:07:46 PM	equinox999		why not? It would explain the look of terror I see in the bald-head picture
2012-08-14	10:08:08 PM	Guest9359		quit the room
2012-08-14	10:08:15 PM	VitaK		that photo, he has so many bruises on his face and then the old bruises on his ribs and lower body
2012-08-14	10:08:44 PM	VitaK		you can see them as the tint on the photo is lightend or darkened the bruises
2012-08-14	10:09:18 PM	VitaK		and then the 3 of them - I blew it up and he has thrown all over his face, the glasses his hair - this sticky yellow substance
2012-08-14	10:09:19 PM	equinox999		yes, i changed the contrast on the photo I posted so its very visible
2012-08-14	10:09:40 PM	VitaK		its dripping off the lens of the sunglasses
2012-08-14	10:09:41 PM	equinox999		bruises on his face in that picture too
2012-08-14	10:09:56 PM	equinox999		egg?
2012-08-14	10:10:05 PM	VitaK		its all over his face - yah and the gashed face, swelling, cracked lips
2012-08-14	10:10:26 PM	VitaK		I don't know what it is - paint?
2012-08-14	10:10:33 PM	VitaK		it so bright yellow
2012-08-14	10:10:48 PM	VitaK		like paint pre-schoolers use Tempra paint - yellow
2012-08-14	10:11:06 PM	equinox999		and mother telling him he needed to listen to what AB was saying. Listen, while he beats you until you are dead. No one to call out to when the pain was too much.. Definition of Hell
2012-08-14	10:11:22 PM	VitaK		I agree
2012-08-14	10:11:34 PM	VitaK		and the Aunt who lives next door - Esther
2012-08-14	10:11:47 PM	VitaK		who is her ex hubs - the Now Chippewa Cheif
2012-08-14	10:12:02 PM	VitaK		she has been married 4 times
2012-08-14	10:12:27 PM	VitaK		she is maiden name Chamberlain, Kevin was the Chippewa Chief before Him
2012-08-14	10:12:34 PM	VitaK		there are all Big Feathers
2012-08-14	10:13:11 PM	VitaK		and Bennett his relative is the Chaplin of the tribe
2012-08-14	10:13:51 PM	VitaK		how the hell did Carnel Fall through the Cracks - he was Safe somewhere (was he) before his monster came and collected him last week in May
2012-08-14	10:14:41 PM	equinox999		Not one person saw a sign of trouble?
2012-08-14	10:15:02 PM	VitaK		Esther is on video saying Carnel would walk over and play with her puppies
2012-08-14	10:15:28 PM	VitaK		she didn't see the bruises ? his head shaved? no hear the screaming as the contractors heard that week
2012-08-14	10:16:08 PM	equinox999		I hear a child laughing and I'm at my fence to see what is making them happy. My god, if I heard even one scream.
2012-08-14	10:16:19 PM	VitaK		didnt smell the burning human mid early evening coming from the chimney of the house on a 90 degree day
2012-08-14	10:16:58 PM	VitaK		the Contractors were Carnel's saving grace
2012-08-14	10:17:24 PM	VitaK		had they not been on the land and were witnesses - I dont believe Michigan State Police would have been allowed in - not yet
2012-08-14	10:17:47 PM	VitaK		I think the contractors called MSP -
2012-08-14	10:18:06 PM	equinox999		wow.. would we even know he went missing?
2012-08-14	10:18:11 PM	VitaK		they to find him within an hour - with k9
2012-08-14	10:18:31 PM	VitaK		good question!
2012-08-14	10:19:14 PM	VitaK		that Twit went on NG after Carnel was found and acted like he was still " missing"
2012-08-14	10:20:11 PM	VitaK		MSP found him on Sunday - not Friday as it was said, they found him 5 days earlier
2012-08-14	10:20:44 PM	VitaK		he was found within 72 hours, one hour of MSP on the property
2012-08-14	10:21:13 PM	equinox999		They kept it a secret? why
2012-08-14	10:21:14 PM	VitaK		tribal tried to squash it as rumor and allowed searchings to remain
2012-08-14	10:21:27 PM	equinox999		not certain remains were human?
2012-08-14	10:21:30 PM	VitaK		ask Kevin
2012-08-14	10:21:48 PM	VitaK		he is the " head of family" Press what is and isnt allowed
2012-08-14	10:22:26 PM	VitaK		was said he was found in two places - under the porch and in the fire pit - my guess he was partially in the fireplace too
2012-08-14	10:22:58 PM	VitaK		bec MSP went after - I believe obtaining Search Warrants, Friday and ripped that house from the ground up - stripped it
2012-08-14	10:23:23 PM	VitaK		took everything - Everything even the plumbing
2012-08-14	10:24:13 PM	VitaK		Esther in the news said Nothing is left of the house,it only a shell standing and that Jaimee wanted to move back in
2012-08-14	10:24:30 PM	VitaK		that she Esther and others wanted to burn the house down - that it represented Evil
2012-08-14	10:25:31 PM	VitaK		this is what I do not understand E - where is Carnel? why no funeral, no nothing said
2012-08-14	10:25:36 PM	VitaK		its mid Aug now
2012-08-14	10:26:22 PM	VitaK		the Tribe said, his funeral would be private okay I get that, but where is his body, why hasn't anyone said -
2012-08-14	10:26:57 PM	VitaK		No FBI, no word, nothing - No charges, no arrests
2012-08-14	10:30:36 PM	equinox999		I'm glad Hobs came up with the idea of open letter. I was feeling helpless.. all this stuff gets to me
2012-08-14	10:30:58 PM	VitaK		me too
2012-08-14	10:31:47 PM	VitaK		I try to " stay a distance" then I wind up checking the news ..and it's insult to injury on the kids, that are missing, or even found, that nothing is in the press
2012-08-14	10:32:06 PM	VitaK		for weeks nothing
2012-08-14	10:32:24 PM	VitaK		ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-08-14	10:32:25 PM	equinox999		getting away with it
2012-08-14	10:32:30 PM	equinox999		living their lives
2012-08-14	10:32:32 PM	VitaK		yep
2012-08-14	10:32:42 PM	VitaK		doing their thing whateve that is
2012-08-14	10:33:03 PM	VitaK		sniffing for donations
2012-08-14	10:33:36 PM	VitaK		dont know E, just don't know
2012-08-14	10:33:52 PM	VitaK		well on that note, Honey Bunny, this old lady is going to hit it
2012-08-14	10:33:58 PM	VitaK		my dog is staring at me
2012-08-14	10:34:02 PM	equinox999		to find that its profitable to murder your child.. its the sickest statement on our culture yet
2012-08-14	10:34:10 PM	VitaK		I agree
2012-08-14	10:34:20 PM	equinox999		yes maam.. i snuck out and fed my 6 dogs already
2012-08-14	10:34:27 PM	VitaK		hah
2012-08-14	10:34:35 PM	VitaK		yes the dogs, they tell us dont they
2012-08-14	10:35:11 PM	VitaK		k - I wish you well, have a good rest, and we will see what Ms. Hobs posts tomorrow
2012-08-14	10:35:11 PM	equinox999		everything they do, even if its naughty, makes sense. There's my peace. They are more evolved than us it seems
2012-08-14	10:35:31 PM	equinox999		Yes! Take care, till you post again.
2012-08-14	10:35:39 PM	VitaK		K good night
2012-08-14	10:35:49 PM	VitaK		(F)(L)
2012-08-14	10:36:08 PM	equinox999		(L)
2012-08-14	10:36:28 PM	VitaK		quit the room
2012-08-14	10:37:53 PM	equinox999		quit the room